. >> chose the one at the massachusetts general hospital for the reason that it was the most biologically oriented. i'm quite opposed to psychoanalytics -- >> rose: you took the words out of my mouth. are you in sync with the notion nathat neuroscience has overcome psychiatry? >> i am and i was, and that's precisely why-- i mean, i think, you know, the psychiatry, the psychoanalysis, the theory that was rooted in really nothing but speculation and wonderful writing it's freudian theories and the offshoots -- really had to yield to the coming of the knowledge in neurology, behavioral psychiatry, et cetera. and that's why i chose a program where they emphasized that. and that is what really fascinated me, the interaction between the brain and behavior. but old stuff, look, i don't-- i don't want to denigrate it. it works for some people, but i'm not really into the interior life, so after about six years, seven year of medicine, i thought well maybe if you're not interested in the interior life, psychiatry is not for you. and that's why i left. >> rose: it probably was a good choice for you